Wiggle It Jiggleit Romps In Graduate

Always B Miki didn't find Nickle Bag as tough as WIJI did. I think WIJI is lucky he took the night off last night. Always B Miki was on cruise control in 1:47.1

P.S. don't you quit on here Joe. That's not fair, besides we almost have you educated. With all this reading and checking facts! I love it. Hope some day when I am back in Canada, we can meet at Mohawk and pick a winner. Good luck

Peter, I was there the day the Beach ran that awesome race, and yes it was a great race. The question was asked as to what defines greatness and I suppose that's subjective. The Beach was great. He was a great 3 year old who beat up on other 3 year olds. WIJI was a GREAT 3 year old but we need to wait to see what he can do against the best (not the so so) older horses. I am reserving judgement on that and will decide what I think of him at the end of the season. Captaintreacherous was a great 3 year old. Had he retired as a 3 year old we could be talking about him the same way we are talking about the Beach and WIJI. However he proved how tough the transition can be because he was only so so against older horses. I don't know if you recall the Breeders Cup Juvenile race many years ago when a horse named Arazi made a phenomenal move in the race to win going away. That was an awesome race and everyone started talking about him as if he were the second coming of Secretariat. However he totally flubbed in future years. Rachel Alexandra was a great 3 year old filly but not quite as good as a 4 year old in the same way that the great Zenyatta DOMINATED as a 3, 4, and 5 year old.
To me what defines greatness is that you are very good for a time of more then one year such as Foiled Again, Matts Scooter, etc. or you do something extraordinary that has not been done before. This is where Niatross takes the cake. Yes he did not race as a 4 year old but he was already beating up older horse with ease and regularity as a 3 year old. On top of that he was setting world and track records everywhere he went and he won on half milers, 5/8 milers, 1 milers, regardless of post. You speak of the great Jug from WIJI... well Niatross also went two heats, set a world record in the first and came back and set a world record in the second. It didn't look as impressive as WIJI because he didn't go parked like WIJI did. However it should not be held against him that he was so good that no horse could park him. It's not his fault that he was so good that he made every race look so easy. Based on this there is every reason to believe he would've been a great older horse because he was already beating them up. And that's why he is the best. The Beach, WIJI for sure great 3 year olds but the rest is pure speculation (until WIJI does something spectacular as a 4 year old which I'm sorry so far I have not seen). Not saying he can't. Just saying so far he he hasn't. Hey if he goes 1:45 sure I'll tip my hat to him. Still wouldn't put him ahead of Niatross though. Would've loved to see what a monster Niatross would've been in this day and age.

Well sit tight John and hold on to your hat . It's only mid June and wiggleit jiggleit will make you a believer . :)) RACING MACHINE

Oh yeah and one last thing that I think all of us here seem to agree on Gord Brown (and Douggie) GREAT DRIVERS.WOULD PUT MY MONEY ON THEM ANYTIME.

John Carter I'm not going to bother even writing on this blog anymore since everything you say I agree with and would only be repeating lol.
Great minds think alike:)

Niatross rules

well Joe I hate to question your knowledge but if you can find me a race of the BEACH at 4 can u send it to me!!!!!Cause if he had we probably would not be discussing this issue.That last start at WEG when he ran away in the worst WIND,RAIN a little SLEAT---OFF-TRACK,my be worth another look for you Joe,because it is GREATNESS

Wiggle It Jiggleit hasn't proved a thing yet against the aged pacers. He got beat at Yonkers by a decent group of aged pacers and he got beat at WEG by Nickle Bag who is just a decent horse. He has mostly beat up on his fellow 4 year old this year and in his one race against Freaky Feet Pete it was on a half mile track where he had a clear advantage because of post position. They have raced 4 times each winning twice. Wiggle It can't be mentioned in the same breath as Niatross or The Beach. As a matter of fact I don't even have him in my top 10 list. I have him behind horses like Matts Scooter who proved his toughness against aged horses something Wiggle It has yet to do.

E-nuff!!!!Clint Galbraith and Niatross were always my favourite.When I was a kid all I heard was Bret Hanover then later Albatross and up the ladder as they years went by.Then the 80,s changed a lot.Niatross--The then Nihaleter.My champion (besides the hub rail) damn Saratoga was always Niatross.Loved some of those old Hollywood Park races--he destroyed-always lots left.The gaits are similar but I think the Beach did it for me at Lexington.No T-Breds on Carts.Thats when the great one slipped for me.The Beach just became the best ever.Paul MacDonell and the BEACH are on top.

Gordy is still my go-to-guy at Rideau.If they can do Gordy will deliver!!!!!He,s did me no wrong,filled the pockets with Gordy.Over Belleville he figured out a few horses when he came off the track.If he screwed up he told ya so, honesty and friendliness,and all aroung good-guy

I guess I'll say this one more time because I get the feeling folks on here don't read what I actually write. Peter Doornbos nowhere did I say that you need to race at 4 or 5 to be considered great. And the irony here is palpable because Niatross was the only horse who did not race as an older horse but yet beat them regularly as a 3 year old. Something that the Beach nor Captain T has done and WIJI has yet to do. How many horse are widely considered the best of their breed ever by a wide margin and only raced as a 3 year old to establish that reputation. I realize you fine folks on this blog may not all agree with me but the fact does remain that in poll after poll in the eyes of horseman and fans Niatross far and away comes out on top 99% if not 100% of the time. Some people may not like or agree with that but it doesn't change it.
And no horse since Niatross has been able to do what he did and that is DOMINATE with the greatest of ease. And not dominate just 3 year olds. Just DOMINATED period and with an exclamation mark.

I'll predict John Carter you are wrong. Divisional winner and HOTY.

Well I guess the criteria for a great horse is racing at 4 or 5? Please! The Beach was too busy at 4 producing horses like CAPTAINTREACHEROUS. Always B MIKI, what, races 3 maybe 4 times a year? Mel Mara is average. Wiji as a 3 year old raced from January to the end of STAKES season. He took them all on everytime. To Gordy and Mike, watch the next card at Harrington and watch the the Kid give a pile of steers. He needs WIJI to look like a keeper!!!

On the other hand I will say this, Gord Brown is an outstanding driver. I always said if you could win the title at Belleville you could drive anywhere !

Mike you misunderstood my point when I said it depends on who you talk to. My point was that if you asked a bunch of different people who was the better horse Somebeachsomewhere or WIJI you would most likely get different opinions, which is evident from all the opinions we are getting on this post. I certainly did not intend nor would I ever suggest to anyone which horse they should call their favorite or who their favorite driver should be. My favourite horse and driver is usually the last one I cashed a ticket on:) You have every right to call WIJI your favourite horse and I certainly wouldnt try to convince you otherwise. This is what makes the sport great. The fact that we can all choose which horse to like whether he's a low claimer or a Breeders Crown winner. The same with drivers and jockeys. My favourite jockey was Sandy Hawley, while my brother's fave was Robin Platts.
There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinions. We all give ours based on what we think and how we interpret the numbers. Do I think Niatross is the best horse ever? Yes. Can I prove that he would beat any horse racing today? No I cannot. I can only say that his numbers support my opinion but do not definitely prove it. This applies to all of us.
Some will say Tom Brady best QB ever. Others will say Montana and still others Marino or Elway etc etc.If watching WIJI puts a smile on your face then are already winning. Enjoy the races my friend.

Couldn't agree more Mike. Montrel is a very underrated driver who's done a heck of a job under pressure.

I will make a prediction right now. When the dust settles for the year Wiggle It Jiggleit will not win divisional honors let alone be horse of the year. There are several aged pacers that are better then he is that are racing this year.

On the topic of having the right to select your favourite horse or driver, Joe... I know a guy who's favourite driver is Gord Brown. Me on the other other hand, I'm leaning toward this Montrel Teague. He is most definetly a big money driver.

Depending on who you talk to ? Joe come on . This is a visual thing a witness to the race as it goes on the track . Through replays and things like that . Why do I need to talk to someone as to how I see a horse , either warming up befor a race or racing . Or even coming back to the winners circle . Again , I LOVE THIS HORSE " WIGGLEIT JIGGLEIT " I wouldn't take any horse over him that I have ever seen race ! :)) (PERIOD) enjoy the races guys

Hey Mike;

No-one is saying you shouldn't have a favorite horse and believe me I am not criticizing you for having one. I think it's great for you and for the game. I know someone who's favourite horse was Black Is Beautiful a claimer from way back in the day and I think that's cool too. I am limiting my comments to who I think the best horse ever was not who should be anyone's favorite horse. My fave may not even be Niatross. It may actually be a horse called Subtle Ways who was a conditioned horse that I partly owned back in the 90s and won for me on my birthday. My favorite driver was Doug Brown. Maybe not the greatest of all time but certainly my favorite and in my view one of the best ever (I know I am being biased). To Mr. Doornbos I say this. I saw WIJIs Jug race too and yest it blew my mind. One of his best if not for sure his best race so far. And I thought it was one of the best Jugs I've seen and I've seen many many of them. However to say that our heads are stuck in the sand because we keep naming the same horses as the best ever is a poor statement from you sir. Are our heads stuck in the sand as you say if we think Secretariat is the best thoroughbred ever? That's the beauty of being great. It transcends time and we can pass on the accomplishments of these amazing horses to future generations. I think the Beach was a great horse and one of the best 3 years olds ever to race. I can't say if he can be one of the best ever because I never saw him race and beat older horses. The same goes for WIJI. As of right now he is definitely one of the best 3 years olds ever. Maybe better then the Beach, maybe not. Depends who you talk to I guess. I'm sure you'll find people who side with both of them. Do I put them on Niatross' level? No I do not because as I've said Niatross did amazing things beating older horses, setting track, stake and world records and almost every track he raced at. He (in my mind) was a one of a kind as was Secretariat on the T-bred side. That's just my opinion and I respect that it may not be everyone's. As for who you should like or love. I frankly don't care. I think it's great no matter who that horse is even if it happens to be a $3000 claimer running at Western Fair:)

Why does someone have to be "new" to select a horse that is racing today , and choose that horse as there number one horse ? It's always he has sub standard fields to race against or something else . Inside post . I LOVE THIS HORSE AND WOULD TAKE OVER ANY HORSE IVE EVER SEEN RACE .

Cam Fella, Niatross, Somebeachsomewhere, Foiled Again
If WIJI breaks :46:4. He can move FA to 5th.

Yae it hurts to always hear Niatross,Nihilater,even Cam-Fella-its like their heads are stuck in the sand!I mean Somebeachsomewhere was preety,preety GOOD.I,m gonna say GREATEST and who could argue!!!Lost once in MIRACLE MILE at the big M.Yea WIJI has to be more than he is,sure.But enuff of the Niatross-Nihilater to begin the list.Just saying people

What I seen last year in THE LITTLE BROWN JUG still blows my mind. THat a horse still can dig in 30 feet from the wire cause he LOVES to WIN.Period.I,m 50 and seen a lot of the SO-CALLED greats.But that day still leaves me shaking my head.MONSTER-with the owners kid driving.Bad steer.YEP.But horses like WIJI are FREAKS,and their is no quit.Best mile ever.........LBJ

When do they draw the Gold Cup field at Mohawk?

Mike Mike Mike, it doesn't take much to get you excited does it my friend. I saw the race on the card and didn't even bother to watch it because I figured it would be a one horse show and boring. But since we're here let's take a close look shall we. Let's see, he beat Rockeyed Optimist, a nice horse but has never won anything significant. He beat In the Arsenal, nice as a younger horse but has struggled as an an older horse and was a pretty good horse at best but not to be considered a top older horse. He beat Rockin Ron who may be good but has lots to prove yet and nothing special as far as a top older horse by my standards. BORING. If WIJI couldn't win this race then he should retire now lol. As I said before he is a very very good horse but for me to consider him great he will need to DOMINATE (yes DOMINATE) all comers especially the top older horses like Always B Miki, Mel Mara, Freaky Feet Pete, (who admittedly has to prove himself a top older horse as well) State Treasurer etc etc. I saw a better group of older horses on Saturday Nights Mohawk card and even they weren't the best of the best. Now assuming that he could DOMINATE them I still would not put him on Niatross' level because the GREAT Niatross did dominate older horse and all comers AS A 3 YEAR OLD. Even if WIJI just wins on a regular basis then that makes him a very good horse not a great horse.
If winning regularly but not dominating makes you great then we have just watered down what greatness in horse racing really is. So I will reserve my judgement until I see what he does the rest of the year. In my mind the best 3 were Niatross , Cam Fella and Nihilator although you can switch the second and 3 spots between the two.

Ted, top 3 of all time? Seriously???? You must be very young and new to harness racing.

Were Always B Miki, Freaky Feet Pete and Mel Mara in the race. I am not ready to say he is the best until he can beat these 3 horses on a regular basis.

Hey Mike, great your following a super nice horse. Who would have thought. My Top 5 in order Niatross, Somebeachsomewhere, Cam Fella, Foiled Again, Nihilator.

Is that what is going to make you a believer John , FFP ? Why him ? I think he has done as much as sweet Lou has . Not knocking Ron Burke here but the nice thing about wiggleit jiggleit is he is in a small stable . Do you agree ?

We are together on this Ted. He was never headed. How many entries were in that race ? All this talk of Niatross ? I don't get , at all. This horse is a champ . He should be hyped to the extreme . WHY ? Cause horse racing needs a hero, we need an underdog.

WIJI has to be ranked in the top 3 of all time greats. This horse is a machine that loves to race and win. The closest they came to him in this race was behind the gate.25.4 opener and still romps by 5 in 48.1. On a hot summers night and the right fractions I see him pacing in 45 and change.

WOW , where is Joe and John ? Jogged with Broken equipment . Can't leave , more like they can't keep up . He isn't as hitchy as he was either . I LOVE THIS HORSE ... I think his name should be " THE RACING MACHINE " or " THE RACING ANIMAL "