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OMAFRA Update; OHRIA Responds

Published: February 14, 2013 9:59 am ET

Last Comment: February 16, 2013 9:09 am ET | 8 Comment(s) | Jump to Comments

"I can't speak for our Board, I can only speak for me, we are getting very, very close to the point of losing our industry and I think we have to take whatever measures are necessary and spend whatever money is necessary to make that our Government clearly understands there is no more time."

The horse racing industry is now three weeks removed from the first sign of movement from the Ontario government's transition panel, whose agreement with Woodbine Entertainment gave the track a two-year window for hosting live racing. At that time, Minister Ted McMeekin stated more deals were set to be completed in the next few weeks.

For an update on the Panel's progress, Trot Radio contacted John Snobelen for an update.

"We're cognizant of the time problem. Think back a couple of weeks, we've had two announcements. One was that WEG would be open at both facilities for the next couple of years which is, I think, great news," Snobelen told Trot Radio's Norm Borg. "Last week, ORC issued a press release saying that they're going to be working with people in the industry on a $30-million HIP program, that's good news."

According to Snobelen, the current delay is in the Panel's process for creating a simpler template to streamline the negotiation process with the smaller tracks after creating a baseline template with WEG.

"We advised in our report that Finance go and do an audit with all the tracks, make sure we understand where Ground Zero is in terms of cost of racing. They've already started that process. The tracks have submitted financial information," stated Snobelen in an interview taped late Tuesday. "We've been meeting with Finance to work out a simpler template to talk with the rest of the tracks, and at least part of the delay has been us. We've been encouraging them to go out and do something a little simpler. We have an agreement on that, I think we'll be ready to go in the next few days.

"Everybody understands the time frame; what we really want to do is make sure it didn't take a month with each track to negotiate a deal. So all of this is actually in the interest of doing it faster."

OHRIA President Sue Leslie feels that the process is taking too long and stated in an interview on the association's website that she's personally close to the point where public action may be an option.

"We may have to take some measures now to engage the government in a more public way again through some type of a campaign to understand that we're nowhere near where we need to be."

One option that Leslie agreed is a possibility would be, as Borg put it, "no deal, no slots."

Given that no financial details have been discussed to date aside from the $30 million for Ontario's Horse Improvement Program, the anxiety level continues to mount for those connected to Ontario's horse racing industry. Yet Snobelen confidently concluded his interview by stating that "there will racing in Ontario for a long, long time." With the landscape in front of her and the rest of the racing industry so unclear, Leslie respectfully disagrees.

"I do have the utmost respect for him and I think he is working as hard as he possibly can to make that a reality but the fact is we're in the middle of February, the breeding sheds are opening, our breeders have no reassurance - nor do trainers and owners - have any reassurance that horse racing in going to exist three years from now. We know that Woodbine has funding to run racing for two years. That's what we know. And we know that there are some agreements in principle with some tracks for lease space. But that is all we know. And that certainly doesn't give an individual the comfort level that's needed to go out and buy a mare and breed it to an Ontario sire."

As Snobelen stated, the deal with WEG was the most complex and that perceived difficulty was part of the reason why that deal was completed first. Leslie wonders if Government has, in racing speak, eased up in deep stretch on this matter.

"I fear, and I could be wrong, the fact that Woodbine was able to get an agreement with the OMAFRA funding that we've taken the pressure off of government to think that 'well, if Woodbine's OK, everyone's OK.' And first of all Woodbine isn't very good and certainly no one else is any good."

Is Government trying to drag this process as a bartering tactic? Leslie doesn't think that's the strategy of the OMAFRA panel.

"I don't get that feeling from the transition panel, I think they're trying as hard as they can. Obviously I think all of us from time to time have it go through our minds as whether we're getting played here, whether we really have a Government that cares. I pretty much became convinced that the last Government didn't. I don't have enough evidence to say that this Government doesn't. I think, in fairness, we have to give [Premier Wynne] some time but she doesn't have a lot of time."

Despite her busy schedule, Snobelen feels that Premier Wynne won't require an exorbitant amount of time to deal with the Panel's report.

"I think we have all the approvals we need to have to do that and I don't think the briefing of the folks on the second floor [of Queen's Park] is going to take very long because they're very familiar with the file."

To listen to the full interviews, click the associated play button below.


Episode 285 – John Snobelen and the OMAFRA Panel
Audio Format: MP3 audio
Host: Norm Borg


OHRIA's Sue Leslie Responds
Audio Format: MP3 audio
Host: Norm Borg


February 16, 2013 - 9:09 amEvery comment you make is

Every comment you make is right on. These deals with the racetracks do not include live horse racing. The track owners are being bought off by the OLG, as are many Ontarians.

February 14, 2013 - 10:06 pmI agree with Norm

I agree with Norm Walker...shut the slots down!

February 14, 2013 - 5:41 pmI appreciate having these

Joe Shea SAID...

I appreciate having these interviews and as much information as possible.....as confusing as it generally is. I am cautiously hopeful that Ms. Wynne will take a very close look at this quickly. In the meantime here's one question that I want the answer to: Who hired Paul Godfrey, and WHY does this man still have a job??

February 14, 2013 - 3:35 pmI could be wrong on this ,but

Peggy Powell SAID...

I could be wrong on this ,but I don't think that I am. This Liberal government, past and present, has decided that the horse racing industry is in direct conflict with their gaming strategy. Paul Godfrey and the OLG have made it very clear that they don't give a damn about WE, the people directly involved in horse racing. In fact, according to them, the monies wagered on racing could be better spent spent at a casino owned by them and their American counter parts. When they needed race tracks their blew a different horn , but now they have decided to annihilate race horses and their care takers from the province of Ontario. The transition panel (with nothing but good intentions ) and their funding will only be viewed as a subsidy at the end of the 2 year term and consequently will have to be cancelled because of the even larger deficit that we will have incurred. I feel that it was never in the plan to close the slots at the tracks but only to eliminate the horse races from them and in two years the plan will be completed. Why would anyone build a casino in Hamilton at the expense of the two in Niagara Falls.

February 14, 2013 - 1:07 pmToo little and far too late!!

Too little and far too late!!

February 14, 2013 - 12:30 pmBreeders have and will be

Norm Brunet SAID...

Breeders have and will be devastated by the time they roll out any kind of help. Hip money was just announced for 2013 and breeders need to make decisions for horses that will hit the tracks in 2016. It's been disapointment after disapointment with this government that still does not have a clue on how this industry works. They seem to have the ability to fasttrack the privatization of gaming in Ontario, regardless of how many Ontarian's are devastated but no ability to move on this at a reasonable rate of time.

February 14, 2013 - 11:29 amSue Leslie your personal

Norm Walker SAID...

Sue Leslie your personal position is one that many of us have had for some time and yes we need all horse industry people to step up and be counted as well as the track owners, I cannot speak for others but I will support you in the future as I have in the past, I believe our lack of action has allowed gov't to destroy the horse racing and more certainly the breeding industry in Ontario. Giving Premier Wynne more time to discuss this is foolish, Queens Park is fully aware of the situation and more time is not something we as an industry have a lot of. The deal at WEG cost a lot of jobs so now how do you provide a top quality product. Our industry was not recieved as the sport of Kings since the inception of slots but more the alternative to fancy slot parlours. We have a contract
with OLG - was it worthless, we need more than operating funds for track owners to replace that contract - they very cleverly left out any compensation to horse people for taking our venue away in place of slot machines we should sue them and in a short term shut down slot parlours.

February 14, 2013 - 10:35 amThanks for doing these

Jack Darling SAID...

Thanks for doing these interviews Norm. You are doing the participants in horse racing a great service because information from the govt is agonizingly slow and details are non existent. Throughout this fiasco with the Liberal govt, the people trying to make a living in this business appear to be at the bottom of the list as far as this govt is concerned-very strange. Hopefully this new administration will see the light. Keep up the pressure Norm and thanks again. Jack


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